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God is busy, may I help you? / Dieu est occupé, puis-je vous aider?

You can leave me a message in English or French, at the bottom. Click here. Yann 22:13, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No valid reason for deletion, huh? Do you care to expand your closing statement? Jonteemil (talk) 18:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

These are plain simple letters. Calligraphy is not under a copyright in UK. Yann (talk) 19:30, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Shouldn't the logo, and other types of calligraphy, be judged by the same standards as COM:SIG United Kingdom which says: The level of originality required for copyright protection in the United Kingdom is very low, and it is easily arguable that personal signatures are entitled to copyright protection. Under United Kingdom law, a signature may be protectable as a graphic work (a type of artistic work). Artistic works are protected regardless of artistic merit.? Jonteemil (talk) 19:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jonteemil: Signatures are not the same level of creativity than simple calligraphy. Each signature is different, that's the whole point of a signature. AFAIK Latin calligraphy is not under a copyright anywhere, contrary to Chinese calligraphy. The copyright in UK is for modified letters. Yann (talk) 10:15, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But if the calligraphy is more complex than w:File:EDGE magazine (logo).svg, which we know is copyrightable, then the calligraphy too must be copyrightable, right? See for example w:File:CrownGate Shopping Centre logo.png which was transfered to Commons from Wikipedia but deleted per Commons:Deletion requests/File:CrownGate Shopping Centre logo.png. I think that logo is comparable to the Everton logo. See also more UK files uploaded to Commons but deleted because they might be above TOO. Jonteemil (talk) 21:34, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

12 or more months ago you left a block warning if they did not cease their uploading behaviour. For a while they ceased. Now not. I wonder if you have a moment to give them your wisdom, please? 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 17:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done Blocked for a week. Yann (talk) 16:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Eliminación de imagenes propias que afectan mi cuenta

Recientemente vi que varias imágenes que subí, que a su vez fueron creadas por mi mismo fueron eliminadas o han sido solicitada para su eliminación. Mi pregunta es ¿en qué afecta esas imágenes que en su mayoría son escudos de clubes de fútbol? no contienen nada como violencia, desnudos, etc. Esto me llevó tiempo tanto para crearlas como para subirlas. Si me pudieran dar una solución les agradecería mucho, desde ya muchas gracias. Ivan Zarate 23 (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Google Translate: I recently saw that several images that I uploaded, which were created by myself, have been removed or have been requested to be removed. My question is, how does it affect those images that are mostly soccer club shields? They do not contain anything like violence, nudity, etc. This took me time both to create and upload them. If you could give me a solution I would appreciate it very much, thank you very much in advance.

@Ivan Zarate 23: The logos are under a copyright by the clubs. You need the permission from them before uploading the files on Commons, even if you recreate them yourself. See COM:DW. Are you the photographer of the pictures you uploaded? If yes, could you please upload the original images will EXIF data? Right now, they look like images copied from the Internet. Thanks, Yann (talk) 15:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Google Translate: Los logotipos están protegidos por derechos de autor de los clubes. Necesita su permiso antes de cargar los archivos en Commons, incluso si los recrea usted mismo. Consulte COM:DW. ¿Eres el fotógrafo de las fotos que subiste? En caso afirmativo, ¿podría cargar las imágenes originales con datos EXIF? Ahora mismo parecen imágenes copiadas de Internet. Gracias, Yann (talk) 15:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Si tienes razón y entiendo el tema de los derechos de autor de los clubes y que necesito su permiso, pero los escudos fueron creados por mí y no son los originales, es por eso que me gustaría saber si existe una chance de que no sean eliminados, ya que perjudica el trabajo y tiempo que puse a cada trabajo realizado. Muchas gracias por responder. Ivan Zarate 23 (talk) 20:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Google Translate: Yes you are right and I understand the issue of copyright of the clubs and that I need their permission, but the shields were created by me and are not the originals, that is why I would like to know if there is a chance that they will not be removed , since it damages the work and time I put into each job done. Thank you very much for answering.
@Ivan Zarate 23: It depends of the logo. If it is complex enough, your work is a derivative work. If it is very simple, then {{PD-textlogo}} applies.
File:Icon CAFI2.png is probably fine, as it is a derivative of an old logo, File:Escudo de Ferro.jpg. But File:Icon JUV.png doesn't look OK. There are identical copies on the Internet. Yann (talk) 20:54, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

07:53 12 sep 2023 Yann discusión contribs. borró la página File:Logo MySQL.jpg

Hello, I don't understand why you delete this file. I say clear that the copyright tof this image there isn't my own. I put in the description: this file is www.mysql.org... I need to use this image. Acorletti (talk) 08:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Acorletti: If it is not your own, you are not allowed to publish it without a permission from the copyright holder. Yann (talk) 08:46, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't agree because all Mysql code is "Open source" (and this is stated in its official web site: www.mysql.org). But since you don't see it that way, I'll use the logo that "wikipedia" publishes: (the one that they don't delete...). Acorletti (talk) 13:30, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Acorletti: The code is under a free license, but the logo may not be. Yann (talk) 13:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, I do not want to waste time, the logo is "Open Source" without any doubt, but if you do not believe it, do not make you problem, as I said, I have stopped using it and I am using the logo that is in "wikipedia", because there it is seen that they understand well the concept of "Open source". Best regards Acorletti (talk) 08:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Acorletti: When you upload some content, it is your responsibility to show that it is acceptable under Commons policies. You only provided a link to [1], where there is no evidence that the logo is under a free license. Specifically, there is a "© 2023 Oracle" mention at the bottom, and the Terms of Use, linked at the bottom, doesn't say anything about a free license for the logo. This is classified as "Materials", and conditions for reusing that is in section 3. You better don't make wild claims without being backed up by fact. Yann (talk) 12:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK Acorletti (talk) 15:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

May ayim commons

Hi Yann

You have deleted a series of images that were uploaded like this one: May Ayim Award Schwarze Literatur Prose 03 Luc Degla Schwarzer Deutscher Internationaler Literaturpreis 2004 AFROTAK TV cyberNomads UNESCO.jpg Can you please explain why? The distribution under CC was enabled for each single one. Why is there a claim on copyright infingement? What needs to be done to enable these files to be on Commons or was this just a misunderstanding? May ayim commons (talk) 04:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@May ayim commons: These files are derivative works, and therefore copyright violations. They are also out of scope. Please read COM:L, COM:DW, and COM:SCOPE. Yann (talk) 08:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yann Thank you for clarifying
So now it is understandable why those images have been deleted carrying only text because they are out of scope.
Does the following help? Or is there still a reason why these images cannot be here (except those that only carry text)?
But what about file: May Ayim Award Schwarze Literatur Prose 03 Luc Degla Schwarzer Deutscher Internationaler Literaturpreis 2004 AFROTAK TV cyberNomads UNESCO.jpg
Just to understand and to learn to do better: Are these files really derivative works? And if so why? Because they carry a foto inside?
Well all parts of the file are for free usage.
And does any file that is a dirivative qualify as copyright violations right away?
Even if the upload states, who has the copyright to the file. And if this copright holder has also has the copyright to what wiki commons claims is the origional to the dirivative?
The Fotos & the images all have been created in the context of political education with the means of visual culture. Of most works in this context 3 or 4 diferent remixes/images exist that have been created simultaneously. All have been made for free usage and distribution or remixes. May ayim commons (talk) 14:35, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Yann: Also a very specific question
You deleted File:2002 Black Media Congress Berlin AFROTAK TV cyberNomads Soulpower cyberSpace & Selfempowerment Networks Goethe Institut Initiative Schwarze Deutsche BPB 1.jpg
It was published by Adetoun Küppers-Adebisi und Michael Küppers-Adebisi for free usage and distribution so that the topic of inclusion would arrive at more attention by the mainstream. Copyright restrictions would have been contraproductive. May ayim commons (talk) 14:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Most of these questions are answered in the links I gave you above: COM:L, COM:DW, and COM:SCOPE. Did you read these pages? Yann (talk) 15:16, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Trouble with a new commons file

Please help with the copyright of this file: File:Tatler (Society publication) - Captain. A. L. and Mrs Middleton - Page 34 - 4th January 1928.jpg

You will see in the "Summary, Source" section that the small pic has been taken from a January 1928 Tatler publication. Please get this file correct. You have been so helpful in the past. Please note - there should NOT be a dot (.) after the word "Captain" which is the name of the file Srbernadette (talk) 09:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Srbernadette: I fixed the license. Could you please add categories for the people? Thanks, Yann (talk) 09:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please remove the "fullstop" (.) after the word "Captain" which is the title of this commons file. To answer your question - the "categories for the people" are : Captain A.L. Middleton is a solicitor, from Leeds and educated at "Oxford University" and "Rugby School". Middleton was a Captain in the British Army and a member of the "Middleton family" which were members of "Society". i.e. - (British upper class). I hope this helps Srbernadette (talk) 09:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Srbernadette: I renamed the file. You can add the categories. Yann (talk) 10:00, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Improper image deletion

The image "0b77a14.jpg" that he deleted was created by a graphic designer for my website developed years ago with "Macromedia Flash". (https://web.archive.org/web/20160620140310/http://www.bitart.it/marcomeloni/index.html) Bainzu (talk) 07:50, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bainzu: And where is there any evidence that it was published under a free license? Yann (talk) 13:11, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Question

Hi, may I inquire exactly why File:Spice Girls live West MacLaren 1997.jpg was deleted? QuestFour (talk) 21:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Photo manipulation of: https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.rQWqM-8mXmyPjPdcAa9oEwHaFC?pid=ImgDet&rs=1 Yann (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm sorry, but the photo in the link is not showing up and I'm not familiar with photo manipulation, could you please elaborate? QuestFour (talk) 08:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Speedy deletion template in talk page

Dear Yann,

I had published {{Speedy delete}} in talk pages, because it was not parsed inside TimedText: namespace, but I requested the deletion of TimedText:Pink_noise.ogg.en.srt and TimedText:Pink_noise.ogg.fr.srt respectively. Can you process them, please? -- Pols12 (talk) 21:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done Yann (talk) 07:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright violation issue

Please find the time to explain the Copyright Violation topic as I am eager to learn about it. By the way, you deleted several pictures stating that I did uploaded some pictures that were subject to copyright violation. As today, all the content uploaded are copyrighted by me and are thus my property. Kiilei (talk) 22:43, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kiilei: You wrote "All files copyrighted by ARTEMA-CASALONGA". This is a bit different than yourself. In cases where the copyright is owned by an organization, we require a formal written permission by email (see COM:VRT). But more to the point, your files are probably out of scope. We don't accept selfies or personal images unless people are notable. Regards, Yann (talk) 07:54, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for your reply. Indeed yes, I did copyrighted these files with Casalonga, as a copyrighted holder for these previous files, I am still the originator. Yes you're right, 90% of the files were out of scope and not relevant for the general public due to their lack of educational purpose.
Thanks anyway for the reply
Kiilei Elei Kiilei (talk) 17:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edgar(d) Varèse in art

Hello Yann,

Considering that no picture of Edgar Varèse taken after 1923-1924 will be considered acceptable (although some exceptions exist, such as the {{PD-Van Vechten}} Public Domain model), would it be acceptable if I submitted representations of the composer done in my own hand(s), after photographs taken during his lifetime ?

It is clearly to be understood that :

  1. the portrait will not be a caricature, with no intention of making fun of anyone,
  2. the representation will be quite accurate, resembling the model as much as possible, with my limited abilities,
  3. the representation will show enough personal handicraft so it bears limited resemblance to original pictures or art (Man Ray did more than "take a picture" of Varèse, for instance) so there should be an accepted level of personality, in order to claim it as "my own work", covered by the {{self|cc-by-sa-4.0}} model. There is a fair number of recently renamed files (François Lopinot - Scriabine caricature.png, for instance) to clarify and protect these images better,
  4. the representation should be admitted on wikipedia, without being neeedlessly and maliciously attacked (this kind of proposed illustration was always done with good intentions, free and hopefully harming no one, persons or institutions),
  5. on a more personal note : These drawings, black & white or with colors, etc. may appear on wikipedia without my name being mentioned : I do not consider myself an artist worthy of note, and it hurts me a bit when I see my name in an article that could (and should) be read by anyone anywhere in the World. If anyone is curious about the work in question, the relevant fields of information will be available here.

I know that a few drawings like this (Skalkottas.png for instance, and it's a really good example) are sometimes accepted : this drawing should be better tagged on here, to be protected more accurately... What do you think ?

Best regards, Flopinot2012 (talk) 08:30, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Flopinot2012: Actually, File:Varèse à Santa Fé vers 1936.JPG might be OK, if you can show that it was first published in USA without a copyright notice, or without a renewal. Yann (talk) 08:39, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yann: I may find the reference for that particular picture in my bibliography. It is quite possible that the picture is not credited (it was candidly taken in Santa Fe, before or after a concert when Varèse was depressed). It is not quite certain, however, that it was published in the United States at the time.
The photographed picture of Varèse done by Man Ray in 1931 is, of course, quite different : it is a work of art and Man Ray is dead in 1976. I do not quite understand how pictures from Flickr are correctly credited on Commons, but some mysteries are meant to be beyond me ^_^
Thank you for your answer : I will check and find out, then come back to you so we can decide what appropriate course of action to take.
Best regards, Flopinot2012 (talk) 09:38, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good evening, @Yann: I have done some fact-checking. The picture of "Edgar Varèse in Santa Fé around 1936" is recorded by Odile Vivier as "Archives Edgard Varèse remises à Fernand Ouellette". Fernand Ouellette is a Canadian writer, first biographer of the composer. I have a copy of the English-speaking edition of his book (first edition in France for Editions Seghers in 1966, English edition translated by Derek Coltman for Calder & Boyars in 1973) and... that picture is not in the album between pages 114 and 115...
There is, however, the picture of Varèse in 1964. There are letters sent and received, more pictures (of his desk at the time of his Death, the front cover of Hyperprism in its original edition in 1924, etc.) The book has notes, biographical references and a discography but no photographic credits...
This is just so accurate as I could get. It is quite possible that picture of Varèse in 1936 remained unpublished until the more recent biographers of Varèse (Odile Vivier, most recently Bruno Giner) have had access to this particular archive. How this relates to claiming it as Public Domain is still an open question, if you ask me. If the facts presented here are relevant to undelete the picture, it would be time well-spent on my part.
Best regards, Flopinot2012 (talk) 19:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Flopinot2012: Thanks for the information. Any document published in USA before 1978 should have a copyright notice, otherwise it is in the public domain. Additionally, any document published in USA before 1964 should also have a copyright renewal, otherwise it is in the public domain. You can ask more questions on the copyright board, where other people may help you. Regards, Yann (talk) 08:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yann: Thank you for your answer. Since the picture was not published in USA at the time, and was only published in France in 1987 when Odile Vivier published her biography of Varèse, with the picture mentioned as "Composer's archive given to his future biographer(s)", it is not covered by any copyright. Should we ask the board in order to eventually undelete the image ? Best regards, Flopinot2012 (talk) 10:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Flopinot2012: Unfortunately, it is a bit more complicated than that. Even unpublished works are under a copyright in France for 25 years after a first publication. So it may be under PD-France, but copyright in USA remains uncertain. Yann (talk) 10:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm looking at the user's unblock request, and I'm having a bit of trouble identifying the masters/socks here. The reason given at Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems#Someoneinsomeplace is that they're obviously not a new user based on their re-creation of Commons:Deletion requests/File:Photoshop-screenshot.JPG, which may be true, but we generally only block socks when they're used to mislead, deceive, disrupt, distort consensus or to evade blocks or other sanctions. I'm having a hard time determining the master, which would be helpful in establishing whether this was block evasion or if this was merely an IP editor who logged in for the first time.

Would you be willing to help point me in that direction? I'm a bit confused here. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, While I think this file should be deleted, creating an account which main purpose is to file a DR without being identified is an abuse of Commons policies. Yann (talk) 07:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
File:Garden of Eden, 1954 film.ogv has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

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