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Photo_memories_1868[edit]

Photo_memories_1868 (talk · contribs) uploads lots of copyvio photos, need a check for their contributions. Lemonaka (talk) 13:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Lemonaka edited the comment above on September 8. whym (talk) 04:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC))Reply[reply]
Tbh, it's not obvious that these are copyvios. All the linked examples of versions of the images available elsewhere on the Internet leads to lower resolution and/or inferior quality versions of the images. I would rather have tagged them with needing VRT verification. TommyG (talk) 13:50, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This File:Takaoka koutaro 1.jpg, File:Takaoka koutaro 2.jpg, File:Baron Kuninaga Tsumori.jpg, File:itagakitaisukesensei_kenshohi.jpg, File:itagakitaisukesensei_kenshohi_ura.jpg, File:itagakitaisuke_sensei_dozo_yuraihi.jpg, is Copyright free images　板垣退助先生顕彰会. Photo memories 1868 (talk) 01:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Photo memories 1868: then why did you claim to hold the copyright and offer them under a free license? - Jmabel ! talk 03:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Because it is the same person as the copyright holder.Photo memories 1868 (talk) 03:22, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Photo memories 1868: That makes no sense. Who is the same person as the copyright holder? You specified yourself as the author and granted a license, now you are saying they are "copyright free" (which is not possible if the author is alive, which obviously you are). - Jmabel ! talk 17:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel: すいません。英語では言っておられる意味が分からないので、日本語でお答えします。1件目「File:Takaoka koutaro 1.jpg」は「著作権侵害理由：https://www.instagram.com/hyuga_takachiho/ 」となっていますが、その写真の撮影者は私「Photo memories 1868」です。私は著作権をフリー(Public domain)にしています。その事を「https://www.instagram.com/hyuga_takachiho/ 」に明記しました。ご確認ください。2件目「File:Takaoka koutaro 2.jpg」は「著作権侵害理由：[1]」　であるとされました。これも私の撮影した写真です。その事を立証するために「[2]」　に私が撮影者であることを明記しました。なおかつ、私はこの画像の著作権を自らフリーにしました。私が撮影者であり著作権を手離したことは「板垣退助先生顕彰会」のページに明記しました。ご確認ください。3件目、「File:Itagakitaisuke sensei dozo yuraihi.jpg」は「著作権侵害理由：[3]」　とされました。これも私が撮影したものですので「[4]」　のページに私「Photo memories 1868」が撮影者であることを明記しました。私が撮影者であり著作権を手離し、(Public domain)にしたことは「板垣退助先生顕彰会」　のページに同様に明記しました。4件目「File:Itagakitaisukesensei kenshohi.jpg」は、「https://senseki-kikou.net/?p=31876」　のページの画像の著作権を侵害したと記載されました。「https://senseki-kikou.net/?p=31876」　の画像は、私がupした写真とは異なるもので、私が撮影しupした写真は「板垣退助先生顕彰会」　のページにあるものです。当日、私は別の角度からも複数枚撮影しており、必要であればそれをご指定のmail先へ証拠としてお送りします。他の画像も同様です。以上よろしくお願いします。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 18:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Could someone with good Japanese please take over here? The user seems to be saying (both in English and in Japanese) that they took these pictures but that there is no copyright, which doesn't make a lot of sense, and the claim that there is no copyright contradicts the fact that they offered a license that they can offer only if they are the copyright-holder. My Japanese is minimal, and I'm not going to be able to work this through. Pinging @Howcheng, Jianhui67, Miya, Yasu - 21:01, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yasu日本語の理解出来る人お願いします。私(photos taken by me)が撮影者(copyright-holder)です(own work)。ですから、私の権限(My license are doing)で(Public domain)にして、公開(uploads)してます。どうか「板垣退助先生顕彰会」　のリンク先を確認して下さい。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 21:30, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lemonakaさん、ここで英語の話せる人に応援を頼んでいます。I'm looking for people who can speak English and Japanese.Photo memories 1868 (talk) 01:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
日本語のネイティブスピーカーです。事態を説明するので少しお待ち下さい。
I am a native Japanese speaker. Please wait a moment while I explain the situation. Misato Kano (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lemonaka@TommyG@Jmabel@Photo memories 1868
ja:
起こっていることについて説明します。
Photo memories 1868は、これらの写真は彼自身が撮ったものであると主張しています。
また、日本では「著作者が亡くなり著作権が期限切れになる」だけでなく、「著作者が著作権を行使しないことを明示する」とこも「著作権フリー」と呼ばれる場合があります。(狭義の「パブリックドメイン」とは異なる)
en:
I am a native Japanese user and I will try to explain what is happening.
Photo memories 1868 claims that these photos were taken by himself.
In Japan, not only "the author dies and the copyright expires" but also "the author does not exercise the copyright" is sometimes called "copyright free". (Different from "public domain" in the narrow sense of the term.) Misato Kano (talk) 01:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Photo memories 1868 ちなみに現在ファイルに付与されているCC BY-SAは、Commonsで言うところのPublic Domainとは異なります。「パブリックドメインと主張しているのに(著作権者の権利を主張する)CC BY-SAをつけているのは矛盾している」と言われているわけです。
本来の意味でのPublic domainに置きたい場合はライセンスをCC0などに変えたほうがいいです。
The file is currently marked CC BY-SA, which is not what he intended Public Domain to be. If you really want to make it Public Domain, we recommend that you publish it as CC0. Misato Kano (talk) 02:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Misato Kanoさま、ありがとうございます。私が「パブリックドメイン」というのは著作権フリーが翻訳で伝わってなかったようで、回りまわってたどり着いた英語です。要するに私の著作権行使を放棄して自由に使ってもらいたいのです。（ File:Baron Kuninaga Tsumori.jpg は、1920年作製ですのでパブリックドメインになると思います）著作権を侵害されていると言われている側のページ http://itagakitaisuke.link/2021/07/16/itagaki-103kaiki/ 、https://www.instagram.com/hyuga_takachiho/ に私が撮影者であることを明記し、なおかつ、http://itagakitaisuke.link/anniversary_slug/20230101-2/　に皆様が自由使ってもらって良い旨を宣言してます。@Lemonaka@TommyG@Jmabelさま、この後、私がどう対処すれば、画像が復帰するのか教えてください。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 03:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Misato Kano: can you please explain to the user that their claim to be the "author" of File:Baron Kuninaga Tsumori.jpg is pretty clearly wrong? And maybe work out who should be credited (or perhaps Unknown author)? Also, what are we to make of the claim that File:Itagakitaisuke sensei dozo yuraihi.jpg, a picture of a monument depicts Itagaki Taisuke (Q456380)? And are we sure that the monument is, itself, not subject to copyright? (Similar questions on some others, I imagine you will see the issues for yourself but there is a lot to be sorted out here.) - Jmabel ! talk 03:26, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Photo memories 1868 以下のことについて確認したいそうです。
  • File:Baron_Kuninaga_Tsumori.jpgの"作者"というのは間違っていると思う
    • (訳注: 板垣退助先生顕彰会は現代において管理をしているだけで、板垣退助先生顕彰会が写真を撮影したわけではないだろうという理解です)
    • この写真を撮ったのは誰なのか、あるいは不明なのかをはっきりさせてほしい
    • (訳注2: これらの他にも、この写真の権利を現在板垣退助先生顕彰会が保有している証明などが必要かもしれません)
  • File:Itagakitaisuke sensei dozo yuraihi.jpgが板垣退助を描いているというwikidataの主張はどう考えればよいか
  • (訳注: おそらく漢字が読めないため「由来が書いてある」という旨を理解できていないようです。銅像建立の由来が書いてあるという旨で返答していいでしょうか？)
    • 石碑自体が著作権の対象でない(=石碑そのものがパブリックドメイン)という認識で正しいか
    • (文章自体に著作権はないのかを問われていると思います)
Misato Kano (talk) 03:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
これらはあくまで一例で、似たような質問がいくつかあるので権利周りを再度確認してほしいとも言われています。
必要があれば翻訳は承るので教えてください。 Misato Kano (talk) 03:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yasu, Misato Kano, and Jmabel: This is a very complicated case. First of all, Photo memories 1868 should explained to VRT that they are the really copyright holders, since some of their photos were found on other place on the Internet. Second, license should be changed to CC0 or something instead of CC-BY-SA. In addition, I really have little knowledge about Japanese law regarding copyrights, which are quite different from US ones.
Google:
これは非常に複雑なケースです。 まず第一に、Photo Memory 1868 は、自分たちの写真の一部がインターネット上の別の場所で見つかったため、実際の著作権者は自分たちであることを VRT に説明する必要があります。 次に、ライセンスを CC-BY-SA ではなく CC0 などに変更する必要があります。 また、私は日本の著作権法については全く知識がありません。米国の著作権法とは大きく異なります。 Lemonaka (talk) 06:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To @Photo memories 1868 We are no longer requesting block or nuke your contributions, please be at ease. We are now in the regular checking against copyright and license.
@写真の思い出 1868 へ 私たちは今後、あなたの投稿のブロックや削除をリクエストしておりません。ご安心ください。 現在、著作権とライセンスを定期的にチェックしています。 Lemonaka (talk) 06:15, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lemonaka@Jmabel@Misato Kano@TommyG@Yasu皆様ありがとうございます。順番にご説明します。
①津守國榮男爵(Tsumori Kuninaga, 1882-1940)「 File:Baron_Kuninaga_Tsumori.jpg 」の画像については、他と異なるケースになると思いますので、少々分けて考えて下さい。これは写真ではなく「絵」です。1919年にはこの肖像画が存在しました。(※おそらく1903年2月3日-1926年9月16日までの津守が住吉大社の宮司に在任中に描かれたと思われる) 100年以上前のことになるので、作者は不明です。(100年前の日本では、現在の概念と異なり、画家は金銭の対価として絵を描き、公開・非公開の権利は、絵の所蔵者に委ねられていました) 現在、一般社団法人板垣退助先生顕彰会(Itagaki Taisuke Honoring Association)の所蔵です。それを写真に撮ってupしたのが私です。所蔵している証拠が必要ならば提出します。(どの様な方法で、どうすれば良いか教えて下さい) ② File:Itagakitaisuke sensei dozo yuraihi.jpg は、 1923年に板垣退助の銅像が高知城に建立された時に、板垣退助(Itagaki Taisuke, 1837-1919)の功績を讃え銅像を建立した経緯が、漢文で記載されてます。文章を書いたのは西園寺公望(Saionji Kinmochi, 1849-1940)で、石碑を建てたのは「板垣伯銅像記念碑建設同志会」です。この会は、1945年解散してますが、そのメンバーたちが、財団法人板垣会を作り、この会が現在の「板垣退助先生顕彰会」の起源になってます。なので、この石碑は「itagaki taisuke」に関連するものとなります。石碑は野外の誰でも見れる場所にあり、西園寺も死亡して83年になります。③特に「 File:Tomb of itagaki masatsura.jpg 」に関しては、何故削除対象になっているのか理解できません。これは、私が2023年8月17日、東京へ行って撮影し、初めてwikiにupしたもので、類似の画像は絶対にインターネット上に見つけることは出来ないはずです。もし、あれば花を見て下さい。これは私が品川区で購入した花をお墓に供えたので、このお墓にこの同じお花が供えられている画像は他に無いはずです。しかも、この画像は元々、横構図で撮影されたものを、両端の不要な部分をトリミングして縦構図になってます。ですから、切り取る前の両端の写っている横構図の写真も証拠として所有してます。mailアドレスを教えて頂ければ、証拠としてお送りしますので、鑑定して頂いても構いません。④それ以外の写真に関しても、確実に私が撮影したものばかりです。その証拠にwikipediaにupする前に、背景をトリミングする前の画像や、撮影時に若干違う角度から撮影したバージョンも所有してますし、解像度を軽くする前のバージョンも私の手元にありますので、必要であれば証拠として提出します。⑤著作権のカテゴリーに間違いがあれば訂正します。正しい分類を教えて下さい。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 10:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
About File:Baron_Kuninaga_Tsumori.jpg
  1. This is a portrait picture, not a photograph.
  2. This portrait existed in 1919; the artist is unknown, as it is over 100 years old.
Translation Note
  • 日本の著作権法では、無名(発表された当時から著作者表示がなかった場合)の場合は公表後70年で著作権が失効[5]、著作権者不明(発表された当時は著作者表示があったはずだが年月の流れで誰だかわからなくなった)の場合は裁定を受け相応の金額を文化庁に支払う必要がある[6]ようです。後者の場合パブリックドメインに置くことができないためどちらに該当するか確認が必要です。
  • "著作権"と"所有権"は異なるので、現在板垣退助先生顕彰会が所蔵しているとしても著作権を板垣退助先生顕彰会が持っているわけではありません。
  • Under Japanese copyright law, copyright expires 70 years after publication if the work is anonymous (no indication of authorship from the time of publication). If the copyright holder is unknown (the copyright holder should have been indicated at the time of publication, but over the years it has become unclear who the copyright holder is), you must pay the appropriate amount of money to the Agency for Cultural Affairs after receiving a ruling. In the latter case, it cannot be placed in the public domain, so it is necessary to confirm which one it falls under.
  • Since "copyright" and "ownership" are different, it does not mean that the Itagaki Taisuke Sensei Memorial Association owns the copyright even if the collection is currently held by the Association.
About File:Itagakitaisuke sensei dozo yuraihi.jpg
  1. When a bronze statue of Itagaki Taisuke (1837-1919) was erected at Kochi Castle in 1923, the history of the erection of the statue in honor of Itagaki Taisuke is described in Chinese text.
  2. The text was wrote by Saionji Kinmochi (1849-1940), and the monument was erected by the "Itagaki Hakaru Monument Construction Committee".
Translation Note
  • 著作者が判明している場合死後70年で著作権は失効するため、石碑の文章に関しては既にパブリックドメインとなっています。
  • 日本においては、石碑そのものは「公開の美術」と同じ扱いとされているため、その写真は自由に使うことができます[7]。
  • The copyright expires 70 years after the death of the known author, so the text on the monument is already in the public domain.
  • In Japan, the stone monuments themselves are treated as "public art" and their photographs may be used freely.
Other pictures
As for the rest of the photos, I am certain that I took all of them. I also have a version of the image before I cropped the background before uploading it to wikipedia, as well as a version taken from a slightly different angle at the time of shooting, and I have a version before I lightened the resolution, which I can submit as evidence if necessary.
Translation Note
撮影者が彼自身であることは、初出とされるWebサイトに彼自身の名前とライセンスが書かれていることから証明できていると思います。
残された問題は、撮られた作品の著作権について処理しているかという点です。
著作権の失効していない作品は、写真を撮って公開すると問題があります。撮られた作品の著作権が失効していることを確認する必要があります。
That the photographer is himself is proven by the fact that his name and license is mentioned on the Web site where it is said to have first appeared[8] (Commons:Volunteer Response Team#When contacting VRT is unnecessary).
The remaining problem is whether the copyrights of the works taken are being handled.
If you take a picture of a work whose copyright has not expired and publish it, there is a problem. You must make sure that the copyright of the work photographed has expired. Misato Kano (talk) 14:31, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Misato Kanoさま、ありがとうございます。
File:Baron_Kuninaga_Tsumori.jpg の肖像画に関しては、何処にも(裏面など)にも著作者の表記はありません。しかし、この画像が著作権侵害に該当する(おそれがある)と、皆様が判断されるならば、この画像は削除なさって下さい。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 14:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lemonakaさま、あなたは「File:Itagakitaisukesensei kenshohi.jpg 」の画像について「 https://senseki-kikou.net/?p=31876 」からの盗用であると指摘され、同上の画像を削除されましたが、これは明らかな間違い（冤罪）です。「 File:Itagakitaisukesensei kenshohi.jpg 」の画像は、私が2023年8月17日13:57(日本時間)に東京品川で撮影したものです。wikiにアップロードする前のトリミング(切抜き)する前の画像を、Itagaki Taisuke Honoring Associationの公式ページ(Official site)に証拠として掲載しました。「 http://itagakitaisuke.link/wp/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/itagakitaisukesensei_kenshohi_kirinukimae.jpg 」こちらをご確認ください。(※画像の右下部分、日のあたり方が違います)Photo memories 1868 (talk) 01:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just a quick correction: artworks installed in public places in Japan are not accepted on Commons as such artworks cannot be used commercially as per the Article 46 of the Japanese Copyright Act. See COM:FOP Japan for details. The stele in question here, though, is deemed not subject to copyright and thus doesn't fall on this case IMO.
一点のみ訂正させてください。公開の場所に設置されている美術作品は、著作権法第 46 条の規定により商用利用ができないため、コモンズでは受け入れができません。詳しくは COM:FOP Japan をご一読ください。ただし、本件の石碑は著作権の対象とならないとみられるため、これには該当しないと考えられます。Yasu (talk) 15:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Comment Uploader's intention to publish the files under a CC license can be confirmed by their website, but my concern is that the website has additional terms of use: “when (the photographs are) needed for newspapers, television programmes, magazines, research books, websites, encyclopedias and such” (新聞・TV・雑誌・研究書籍・webサイト・百科事典(Encyclopedia, Wikipedia)などに必要とする場合), “when needed to create flyers for seminars/study meetings held by our president or other personnel” (弊会理事長などが行う講演会・勉強会などのチラシ作製などに必要とする場合など) and “usage that does not comply the intended purpose may lead to punishments” (利用目的を逸脱してご使用された場合は、罰則に処せられる場合があります). These ToU apparently are not compatible with CC licenses, so I suppose they would have to amend (or completely remove) these ToU in order to make the files acceptable on Commons, otherwise the files should remain deleted. Yasu (talk) 15:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Photo memories 1868: 著作権を放棄ないし CC BY-SA のライセンスで公開のお考えであることは、Photo memories 1868 さんが管理していらっしゃるというサイト上で確認できるのですが、少々気になる点として、当該サイト上の「新聞・TV・雑誌・研究書籍・webサイト・百科事典(Encyclopedia, Wikipedia)などに必要とする場合」「弊会理事長などが行う講演会・勉強会などのチラシ作製などに必要とする場合など」という記述に加え、ページ下の「利用目的を逸脱してご使用された場合は、罰則に処せられる場合があります」という一文があります。これを見るに、Photo memories 1868 さんとしてはある程度限られた目的で利用してもらうことを想定されていて、その目的から外れた使い方はしてほしくないというお考えなのではないかと想像します。しかしながら、コモンズで公開できるファイルは、誰でも、どんな目的にでも自由に利用できるものである必要がありますので、特定の目的に限って利用を認める（それ以外の目的で利用するのは認めない）ということはできません。したがって、コモンズで公開するためには、サイト上で CC ライセンスであると記載するだけでなく、上記の文言についてもご再考いただく必要があると思います。また逆に、Photo memories 1868 さんが想定されていない目的で利用されるのは避けたいというご意向でしたら、コモンズでの公開はお取り下げになるという選択肢もあります（なおご参考までに、CC ライセンスは後から撤回することが認められていませんので、たとえ「意に沿わない使われ方をしたからコモンズでの公開を止めたい（削除してほしい）」ということになっても対応はできかねます）。いずれにしても、利用目的を限定したうえで公開するというのはコモンズの方針上不可能なため、利用目的を限定せずにコモンズで公開するか、あるいはコモンズでは一切公開しないこととするか、いずれかをお選びいただくことになります。よくご検討になったうえでご判断ください。もし前者を選択していただけるのであれば、引き続きみなさんがお力添えしてくださることと思います。Yasu (talk) 15:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Apologies that I can't follow most of that, but a question: on the photographs, is the uploader the photographer or not? If the uploader is the photographer and is offering a license here, it ultimately doesn't matter that they offered a more limited license elsewhere. However, they may need to go through COM:VRT to validate that they are the photographer. - Jmabel ! talk 16:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@JmabelI am a photographer. 今回議論されているのは、（「File:Baron Kuninaga Tsumori.jpg」の画像以外は）私が撮影した写真です。「 through COM:VRT」の言っている意味が分かりません。詳しく教えてください。※「許諾文書」というものであれば、私の代理人（弊会代表理事）より、permissions-ja@wikimedia.org へmailで、お送りしているようです。これと同じことでしょうか。ただ処理までに、11日間ぐらい日数を要するようです。案件番号が必要であればこちらに記載します。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 02:18, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yasuさま、ご指摘ありがとうございます。2023年9月10日11:00（日本時間）、Itagaki Taisuke Honoring Association Official siteを更新し、写真の利用条件の注釈を削除しました。どなたでもご自由にご利用できる旨を記載しました。（松井庄五郎の石碑に関しては除外しました）。まだ不備があれば教えて下さい。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 02:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel The uploader is the photographer, they are going through VRT process.
@Photo memories 1868 Sysops will undelete the photographs after checking from VRT passed and after consensus in this discussion. I've read http://itagakitaisuke.link/anniversary_slug/20230101-2/ , this page confirmed that you are the origin author of the works. Sorry for my previous behaviour. 誠に大変申し訳ございません！ Lemonaka (talk) 06:14, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lemonaka@Jmabel@Misato Kano@TommyG@Whym@Yasuさま、誤解が解けて良かったです。著作権について詳しく、解説して下さった皆様、私の日本語を翻訳して下さった皆様、ありがとうございます。画像が復帰し、皆様と共に、より良いwikipediaとして寄与できることを願っています。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 09:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel: The uploader claims to be the photographer, and as far as I see, the claim seems to be legit; they have images identical to the files here on their website, and eventually modified their ToU to comply with CC licence. They also say they have sent permission to VRT in the name of the association's president. Yasu (talk) 14:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Yasu: great, and I'm glad you came to help sort this out. I'm sure you can see why I couldn't. - Jmabel ! talk 15:39, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Photo memories 1868: コモンズでの利用を許諾する旨をメールでお送りいただいたとのこと、承知しました。今回メールをお送りになった先が VRT と呼ばれるチームで、本件のようにインターネット上にある画像などのファイルをコモンズに転載する場合、権利者が確かに転載を許可していることの証憑として権利者の方から送信していただくメールを精査する役割を担っています。精査の結果、権利者の許可があり、ライセンスなどの条件も整っていることを VRT が確認できれば、そのファイルは問題なくコモンズで利用できるようになります。この手順を踏んでいなかったために削除されたファイルも、VRT の確認を経た後であれば復帰することができます。逆に言いますと、万が一お送りいただいたメールの内容に不備があるなどの理由で許可の確認が取れない場合、ファイルの復帰は認められませんのでご理解ください。また、私自身は VRT の者ではないため、お送りいただいたメールを読むことはできません。したがって、もし VRT が許可を確認できなかった場合でも、私からその理由をお伝えしたり、メールのこの部分を修正すればよいなどといった助言を差し上げたりできる立場にはないことも、合わせてご承知いただきたく思います。Yasu (talk) 14:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yasuさま、わかりやすいご説明ありがとうございます。謹んでVRTによる判断を待ちたいと思います。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 10:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think a VRT confirmation here is unnecessary, or at least the lack of it shouldn't block this conversation. The publicly available evidence seems sufficient for us to move on. whym (talk) 23:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Whymさま、VRTは私の件には無関心なのでしょうか？画像は削除されたまま、何の進展も反応もありません。私の主張を補強する証拠を、次々と提出するべきでしょうか？日本語で書いているから後回しにされているのでしょうか？著作権の表示の方法が間違っていたならば、wikimediaの方式に合わせて変更しますので、教えて下さい。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 11:01, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Photo memories 1868 Please have a read on Commons:Undeletion requests, Yann (talk · contribs) has taken steps to recover your photo, but seemed they only undeleted one, you may ask them for help. Lemonaka (talk) 12:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lemonaka@Jmabel@Misato Kano@TommyG@Whym@Yasuさま、どの写真のことを言ってますか？
1) File:Takaoka koutaro 1.jpgに関しては、
"unless they are used for malicious purposes such as defaming the imaged person or any person or group related to the image)."の部分が駄目だとのことですが、その条文は既に削除しました。ですので、これを理由に許否するのは間違ってます。
2) File:Takaoka koutaro 2.jpg に関しては、Copyright (C) 2017 板垣退助先生顕彰会 Corporation. All Rights Reserved"は、ホームページに関してのことであり、この画像に関してのことではありません。お願い。このことを翻訳して伝えて下さい。
3)　File:itagakitaisukesensei_kenshohi.jpg　に関しては、「角度が違う」と言うことを認めて「賛成」となっているので、画像が復帰するのでしょうか？私の認識は間違ってますか？
4)「審議は終了しました」となっていますが、これでは欠席裁判ではないですか？VRTは、ここでの議論を参照せずに、勝手に判断するのでしょうか？再審議の申請方法を教えて下さい。
5)Commons:Undeletion requestsに直接、私が書き込んでも構いませんか？どうしたら誤解を解くことが出来て、画像が復帰できるのか教えて下さい。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 16:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Photo memories 1868
日本語を読み書きできるVRTメンバーはとても数が少ないため、返信には11日以上かかるとされています、気長にお待ち下さい。
また本件はそもそもVRTへの連絡が必要ない場合に該当するので、通常の削除復帰手順を踏めば大丈夫です。
また、Lemonakaさんのメッセージを翻訳すると次のとおりです:
> Commons:Undeletion requestsを確認してください。Yannさんがあなたの写真を復帰するための手順を踏んでいますが、まだ1件しか復帰されていないようです。復帰の判断の材料を提示してあげてください。
なのでFile:Itagakitaisuke sensei dozo yuraihi.jpgについて

「審議は終了しました」となっていますが、これでは欠席裁判ではないですか？

Photo memoriesさんが復帰依頼をし、他の利用者が削除の理由を確認して削除すべきでなかったことを確認し、最後に管理者が復帰の判断をしています。欠席裁判でもなんでもありません。

VRTは、ここでの議論を参照せずに、勝手に判断するのでしょうか？

今回の判断をしたのはVRTではありません。また依頼どおりに復帰されているため再審議する必要がありません。
削除・復帰の判断は(復帰依頼を1ファイルずつ出しているので)1ファイルずつ行われます。
その他

Commons:Undeletion requestsに直接、私が書き込んでも構いませんか？

問題ないです。ここは利用者の行動について議論する場であって個別のファイルについては削除復帰依頼のほうで行うべきです。ひとまず翻訳して伝えるところまではやっておきますね。 Misato Kano (talk) 23:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Misato Kanoさま、ありがとうございます。昨夜は中々眠れず不安な夜を過ごしましたが、今朝、起きたら画像が総て復帰されておりました。本当に感謝です。@Lemonaka@Jmabel@Misato Kano@TommyG@Whym@Yasuさま、私のために誠をつくして下さり本当にありがとうどざいます。Thank you very much!Photo memories 1868 (talk) 01:25, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lemonaka@Misato Kanoさま、現在削除されていない写真に関しては「このファイルに関するメールがVRTS に届いています。VRTSアカウントを持つユーザーは こちら で読むことができます。 VRTSキューにメールが届いており処理待ちの状態です。 この問題の進行状況については、このテンプレートをこのページに添付したユーザー(Krdbot)もしくはVRTSアカウントを持つその他のユーザーにお問い合わせになるか、VRT掲示板でお聞きください。もし有効な許諾がVRT代理人による最初の応答から30日以内に与えられなかったら、このファイルは削除されます。許諾を理由とした追加の削除依頼を提出しないでください(VRTS has received an email regarding this file. Users with VRTS accounts can read her here. An email has arrived in the VRTS queue and is waiting to be processed. Please contact the user who attached this template to this page (Krdbot), any other user with a VRTS account, or ask on the VRT message board for updates on the progress of this issue. If valid permission is not granted within 30 days of the first response by the VRT agent, this file will be deleted. Please do not submit additional removal requests based on permissions.)」と書かれたタグがついたままになっています。私は何かアクションを起こさねばなりませんか？「VRT代理人による最初の応答」の文言が、許諾書を送った弊会代表理事を差すのか、それを踏まえてさらに、何か別の有効な証言・申請が必要となるのか、表現が曖昧でよく分かりません。Lemonaka氏は、「@写真の思い出 1868 へ 私たちは今後、あなたの投稿のブロックや削除をリクエストしておりません。ご安心ください。 現在、著作権とライセンスを定期的にチェックしています。 Lemonaka (トーク) 06:15, 8 September 2023 (UTC)」と記載されておりますので、それを信じて何もしなくても大丈夫でしょうか？「今後」と書かれているので「それ以前」の写真は別であると解釈するべきでしょうか？それとも、「今後の審議において過去にアップしたものも総て」と理解すべきでしょうか？Photo memories 1868 (talk) 03:23, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Photo memories 1868 Here are two kinds of sending permission if you are the authors of the photos,
  1. VRT process if the site doesn't have clear permission
  2. If the site which your photos are on has clear permission or notification about how to use your work, you don't have to go through VRT process.
Lemonaka (talk) 06:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lemonakaさま、 Thank you！他の写真はwikimediaにしかアップロードしていないので、他のサイトに同一写真はないため、大丈夫ということですね。ありがとうございます。念の為、http://itagakitaisuke.link/anniversary_slug/20230101-2/ にも許諾書の同文を掲載しておきます。Photo memories 1868 (talk) 22:55, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wrong GPS for my files - not able to upload corrected files[edit]

Im adding manually GPS location to my photos from my phone and I made mistake, I use my on code written in Python that finds proper location based on timestamp of a photo. I tested the wrong photo when I was checking if the GPS is correct (on that photo I was there for more than an hour and my photos have 1 hour shift).

The problem is that I can't upload new file with changed EXIF data, the upload is yelling at me that the file didn't change. Is there something I can do to upload modified files with correct GPS location? The photos are part of Wiki Love Monuments in Poland and there are 8 photos. Jakub T. Jankiewicz (talk) 20:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Jcubic: I believe you are on the wrong page; this is a page for reporting inappropriate user behavior other than vandalism.
  • &, sorry, I don't have an answer to your question. - Jmabel ! talk 00:21, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Jmabel: so admins can't overwrite this behavior somehow? Jakub T. Jankiewicz (talk) 12:05, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Incorrect data is not that problematic. You can just change the data in the location template. GPSLeo (talk) 14:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Solman9[edit]

Solman9 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)  I strongly suggest a permanent block for this user. During two years of activity he did nothing productive, he repeatedly uploads copyrighted material and vandalizes various categories, and it's not possible to discuss those issues since his English is awful. He already got warned several times, by me and Jeff G, then usually stops and goes away, but always come back and continues with the same practice. Everything he uploaded until now are CR violations, including the newest material. It should be deleted asap. --Orijentolog (talk) 07:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Orijentolog: I concur. Thanks for posting about them here.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 08:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
✓ Done Blocked for 1 month. It appears that they're trying to be constructive and are just bad at it, so I'm fine giving them one last chance. Feel free to come back here if they resume problematic uploads upon their return. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, Orijentolog, you are required to notify users that are the subject of AN/U threads using the subst: template at the top of the page. I have done so for you in this case. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NeverDoING[edit]

If you are a user in good standing, please log in, and start again. Otherwise, go away. Yann (talk) 12:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello. I marked as empty several categories opened and abandoned by this user. I could see that he is one of two or three "problematic" category openers, whose categories are all the time being discussed and deleted or deleted speedily. Why lose so much time? Simply tell these people not to open new categories or that they will be blocked. Is there any statistical data to prove what I said? My observation is quite sound though. 186.174.249.153 16:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging @NeverDoING. - Jmabel ! talk 18:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Own your own grievances[edit]

May I just say: I'm getting heartily sick of people who are obviously experienced Commons users who come here anonymously, while logged out, to complain about other users' behavior. Have a grievance against someone? Have the nerve to make the accusation in your own name (and also take the responsibility to ping or otherwise notify the person you are accusing, which as a clearly experienced user here you should know to do). You are asking admins -- other volunteers -- to take action against someone while you hide from them. - Jmabel ! talk 18:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

While we are at the subject anyways[edit]

Could someone please get this Commons user to use his main account when calling for others to be "ousted" from the site on his behalf?--Trade (talk) 19:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

+1. Yann (talk) 19:54, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

User COLTashrif1499[edit]

COLTashrif1499 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)  most of the uploads of this new user are from news websites, university, military copyrighted sources. I have marked some of them as {{Copyvio}} and warned the user. Could an administrator have a look to the other uplods for copyvio. Pierre cb (talk) 06:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done Blocked for a week. All copyvios deleted. Yann (talk) 12:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Marvtomodrtski[edit]

Marvtomodrtski (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)  Sockpuppet of Takiva (talk · contribs). Leonel Sohns 09:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done Yann (talk) 12:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Golden[edit]

Is this edit summary aligned with Commons:Civility? HeminKurdistan (talk) 15:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this? The user above engaged in an edit war (3 reverts within 24 hours [9], [10], [11]) to maintain an inaccurate version of a file. They reverted my minor correction, which was intended to align the file more closely with its claimed source, as merely my "preference", implying that my change was personal bias. — Golden talk 15:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is not right to behave supercilious by overwriting a file created collaboratively under auspices of Commons:Graphic Lab, specially after Commons:Overwriting existing files is mentioned as the reason for revert. One could say who has an edit war mentality here: the user who is acting accordingly when an existing file is overwritten twice, or the user who has a record of insisting that others are wrong. HeminKurdistan (talk) 16:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
COM:OVERWRITE does not apply to minor improvements, which is what my edit was. If we're digging up past edits, it's worth noting that there have been instances where you've claimed that properly sourced maps are "inaccurate" without providing any justification. You've even created a unique category for these maps and advised others against using them. — Golden talk 16:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My take: Golden's edit summary at least borders on incivility; Heminkurdistan's is perfectly civil and if Golden can't see that the problem is on Golden's side; only two of the reversions are of the same thing, so this is not 3RR, although it looks like you are both edit warring; the belief that you are right does not mean you are not edit warring, I'm sure you each believe you are right; as for this being a "minor improvement," I don't see Golden's typography change as particularly better or worse, but the border change, even if small, is not a "minor change" in the relevant sense. If there is a disagreement about where a border should be drawn, that calls for two mutually linked versions of the file; any citeable sources for either or both would be welcome. Frankly, my own guess is that a small border difference for an unrecognized entity in a period of combat is probably not something that can be precisely determined either way, but perhaps there were some specific trenches, battles, posts, etc. that actually established a line to this degree of precision and I wouldn't know about it. Split the file into two versions under different filenames (whoever's map was the earlier one at this name gets to keep this name, I pointedly didn't look through to determine which that is), and other than that unless one of you wants to ask for disciplinary action that would apply to both of you, I suggest you let the matter drop. - Jmabel ! talk 17:09, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I stated in my last edit summary on that page that I wouldn't be editing it any further. I didn't want to waste any more time on this dispute than I already had. Yet, here we are. Thanks for taking the time to review this, Jmabel. — Golden talk 17:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As someone who has positive experiences with both Golden & HeminKurdistan, I must say here I don't see issue in either Golden's edit or summary. Golden's summarizes are sometimes indeed energic (reminds me of myself), but far from impolite. HeminKurdistan is a great editor and big gentleman, but he should understand that we mountainous people from the Balkans and Caucasus have slightly different mood of communication. :) I'm not aware of overwriting policies so I won't comment it. Regards to all. --Orijentolog (talk) 00:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Paul J. King[edit]

Paul J. King (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) This editor has uploaded several images under blatantly false claims that they are CC-zero. I've nominated the images for speedy deletion, but could an admin please also block them for being a copyright violation only account? Thank you Nick-D (talk) 22:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done. Paul was not warned, so I warned him instead. Taivo (talk) 12:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Persepolis88[edit]

Graham87 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) Hi, I'm trying to set up a two pages, for two books I've written that have both been published by respected publishers and have been reviewed, discussed, in the media etc. But am unable to login to my account due to a block on my IP, maybe? trying to get in touch with the responsible administrator Graham87, but because I can't log in to wikipedia, can't contact them. Want to understand the problem and try to sort it out if possible.Persepolis** (talk)

@Persepolis88: this account only has two edits on this wiki, and none on any other WMF wiki. I take it that a different account was blocked.
On your user page here, you say "I'm here to add two books I've written to Wikipedia." If what you mean is that you intend to write on the English-language Wikipedia about books you have authored, that is a clear violation of the English-language Wikipedia's policy on conflicts of interest (and further elaboration in en:WP:Autobiography). If you attempted to do that in the past on some other account, that would explain your getting blocked. And there is no way around that: you should not be writing in en-wiki about yourself.
Also: this page is intended as a place to report behavioral problems by Commons users. Presumably, you are not saying that User:Graham87 blocking you on en-wiki is somehow a "behavioral problem" by him here. Normally, the only proper way to appeal a block on en-wiki is to use your user talk page there (for the relevant account), unless access to that has also been blocked, in which case see en:Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System. I strongly suggest that if you want to pursue this, you stick to those channels instead of creating a sockpuppet account and trying to take matters up on a different wiki, both of which only create more reasons for you to be blocked. - Jmabel ! talk 06:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Persepolis88: Indeed, I entirely agree with the above message. Another situation I can think of is that you forgot the password on your previous account and can't retrieve it due to an IP block I've done ... if so you're still in completely the wrong place. Or it could just be a standard IP block I've done that has prevented you from creating an enwiki account. It would help if I knew the exact IP address/account name you've tried to use on enwiki. Whatever's going on, you should absolutely not try to write any pages about anything you're involved with, per the above links. If these things are truly notable, someone else will write about them eventually. Graham87 (talk) 08:24, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

M.sharaki[edit]

  — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 01:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done. All uploads are deleted. Block is not yet needed, because (s)he has no edits after you warned him/her. Taivo (talk) 18:10, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Taivo: The first warning was on their user talk page 11:13, 11 February 2023 (UTC).   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 02:51, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Right, but last upload was on 21 August 2023. A short term block now wouldn't serve any purpose. Yann (talk) 08:06, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lalchhanhima aibawk photographer[edit]

Lalchhanhima aibawk photographer is an obvious sock of Chhanchhana zote hmar. Block as sockpuppet trying to avoid block of main account. Jonteemil (talk) 07:52, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done. I blocked the user indefinitely. I have already seen and deleted these files. Taivo (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

まるっちだいすけ[edit]

まるっちだいすけ (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)  has continued uploading images with copyvio after the warnings.--Krorokeroro (talk) 09:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done. One week block. Taivo (talk) 18:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Photographer;Chhanchhana Zote Hmar picture[edit]

Photographer;Chhanchhana Zote Hmar picture is an obvious sock of Chhanchhana zote hmar. Block as sockpuppet trying to avoid block of main account. Jonteemil (talk) 13:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:LenninSS[edit]

LenninSS (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)  uploads low quality images or photos from unknown source claiming to be the author. He has been warned before but continues. All uploads should be deleted and the user blocked. Pierre cb (talk) 02:01, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done. One week block. Taivo (talk) 16:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

H.Lalchhanhima zote[edit]

H.Lalchhanhima zote is an obvious sock of Chhanchhana zote hmar. Block as sockpuppet trying to avoid block of main account. Jonteemil (talk) 13:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done. Indefinitely blocked, all uploads deleted. Taivo (talk) 16:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:IAmNotABananaaa[edit]

IAmNotABananaaa (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)  keeps doing rapid reverts of flag files that more often than not result in no changes being made, most recently in File:Flag of Eswatini.svg. Most country flags file histories are a mess because of such behaviour and some have been protected as a result. Possibly a reincarnation of a user who did almost nothing but these edits for like a year ([12], [13], [14], [15], [16], all accounts whom I told to stop doing that) – their user page initially said "I have created an (different) account, and I promise, I will NOT abuse multiple accounts, ok?" which wouldn't be a problem if they didn't start with the same disruptive edits; I would be surprised if there were more than one person with such dedication to doing this. TFerenczy (talk) 06:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done. I blocked them all indefinitely and created a sockpuppet category. Taivo (talk) 07:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Taivo: Perhaps File:Flag of Eswatini.svg should be semi-protected for a while as well? Jonteemil (talk) 20:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
✓ Done semi-protected for 6 months. - Jmabel ! talk 20:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lalpuipuii zote[edit]

Lalpuipuii zote is an obvious sock of Chhanchhana zote hmar. Block as sockpuppet trying to avoid block of main account. Jonteemil (talk) 13:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

✓ Done Blocked, file deleted. Yann (talk) 14:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User Nosa23[edit]

Nosa23 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)  claims to be official photographer of the government and uploads photos of politicians as his own work. Since there is no META data on these photos, I doubt that it is true and some have been deleted already for no copyright status. Could an administrator reviews his uploads to determined which are legitimate and delete the others. Pierre cb (talk) 02:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alwataralwatar30[edit]

Alwataralwatar30 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) Hundreds of uploads, none of them are apparently own works, but copyright violations. A big mess to look though. Help needed. Yann (talk) 07:21, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Yann: Why are you going through them one by one? If none of them are own works, nuke them all. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
✓ Done Right. Yann (talk) 07:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sefxczvcsd[edit]

Sefxczvcsd (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)

Alias Wrg6jcstbwtcu (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
Alias Jung Jin-Hyuk (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)

is back again, performing non-sense reverts on CoA images and uploading useless files…

--Kontributor 2K (talk) 9:00, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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