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Is VRT ticket #2014070110000717 still valid for these three files?[edit]

These deletion requests here:

1. File:President Yoon Suk Yeol and first Lady Kim Keon Hee depart to Madrid, Spain for Nato Summit at Seoul Air Base (3).jpg.

2. File:President_Yoon_Suk_Yeol_and_first_Lady_Kim_Keon_Hee_depart_to_Madrid,_Spain_for_Nato_Summit_at_Seoul_Air_Base_(2).jpg

3. File:President Yoon Suk Yeol and first Lady Kim Keon Hee depart to Madrid, Spain for Nato Summit at Seoul Air Base (1).jpg

All state that the "Reason for the nomination: CC-BY-NC-SA license on Flickr, the VRT ticket is just a verification for those images marked with CC-BY-SA"


These three Flickr links all have the exact same the license history below:

1. https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/52176290159/

2. https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/52176042741/

3. https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/52175009767/in/photostream/


"License History

Note: There is no license history before July 17, 2008"

Date January 16, 2023 at 10:46:41 PM PST
Old License Attribution-ShareAlike (CC BY-SA 2.0)
New License Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA 2.0)

This file uploaded on 00:51, 1 July 2022, which is before the license changed on January 16, 2023.

So, is this VRT ticket #2014070110000717 still valid?

Thanks, -- Ooligan (talk) 23:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jarekt, Please, see the link below, where the @JarektBot added the same VRT ticket number to the three files above.
Can you answer my question above?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3APresident_Yoon_Suk_Yeol_and_first_Lady_Kim_Keon_Hee_depart_to_Madrid%2C_Spain_for_Nato_Summit_at_Seoul_Air_Base_%281%29.jpg&diff=712122705&oldid=677465007
Thanks, -- Ooligan (talk) 07:00, 17 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ooligan, See my response at Commons:Deletion requests/File:President Yoon Suk Yeol and first Lady Kim Keon Hee depart to Madrid, Spain for Nato Summit at Seoul Air Base (3).jpg. VRT ticket #2014070110000717 is valid as a storage of background info and confidential communication for files using CC-BY-SA on flickr but should not be used for files using CC-BY-NC-SA on flickr. --Jarekt (talk) 00:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jarekt. On July 19th You wrote,
"RodRabelo7, Than you for your help here. I have never seen License history on flickr. I have verified that the license of those files was correct (CC-BY-SA) at the time of the upload..."
However, I had written on July 15th (see above) about information from these three files linked Flickr pages.
---Under the heading, "License History"
---that the "Old License" was "Attribution-ShareAlike (CC BY-SA 2.0)"
---and that the "New License" is "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA 2.0)"
I further wrote,
"This file uploaded on 00:51, 1 July 2022, which is before the license changed on January 16, 2023."
In your second response you wrote,
"Ooligan the irrevocable license rule only applies to files uploaded by the copyright holders and the File:President Yoon Suk Yeol and first Lady Kim Keon Hee depart to Madrid, Spain for Nato Summit at Seoul Air Base (3).jpg was not. I also do not see any evidence that it was CC-BY-SA at the time of the upload. So let me clarify my position: Delete for this and all the files using Korea.net license unless the files have Flickrreview (or similar template) verifying that they were marked CC-BY-SA on flicker at some point. If someone wants to contact https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/ and ask them to change the license we might be able to save them." (brackets removed, emphasis added)
I thought I was writing clearly enough, but another commenter clarified the Flickr license history information. I want to note here on this page that you kept these 3 files. Thank you, -- Ooligan (talk) 07:01, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ooligan I am sorry for dropping off from the discussion. The files are fine since they were uploded under valid license. I closed deletion request and added additional info to the files. --Jarekt (talk) 23:38, 3 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

file check[edit]

I wish you all good health. please, I ask you to check the file and confirm the license. Sincerely File:Skuld. Скульд.jpg RagdayKolovrat (talk) 08:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Last ticket entry from yesterday. The reason to hurry is…? --Krd 13:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
which ticket? I didn't understand the question at all RagdayKolovrat (talk) 16:22, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Совсем не понял ответа на поставленный вопрос RagdayKolovrat (talk) 16:25, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(using Google translate): @RagdayKolovrat: Почему это срочно? Это совсем недавно. Есть отставание. - Jmabel ! talk 17:49, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Суть сказаного? Набор фраз RagdayKolovrat (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Now I'm the one who doesn't understand. (Теперь я тот, кто не понимает.) - Jmabel ! talk 19:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
exactly. just check please, otherwise we don’t understand what we will agree on RagdayKolovrat (talk) 19:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Who will confirm the file for a license? RagdayKolovrat (talk) 22:40, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Checking authorisation for 2015122310000978[edit]

Hello All, I requested the deletion of files representing a magazine uploaded by @NicholasReedy: , but at the end, I saw that one file had an OTSR ticket attached to it. Does it include all the page of the magazine uploaded or only the one with the OTSR ticket?

The deletion request: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Xodus_Media_Kit.JPG

The OTSR: https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=2015122310000978

The page with the OTSR: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Xodus_Media_Kit.JPG

Merci par avance pour votre aide. CoffeeEngineer (talk) 09:32, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

productionsrhizome.org[edit]

Hi, VRT will receive (or may have alresdy received today) an email from the address productionsrhizome.org, with an attachment in French. Just to be sure that VRT knows what it is about and it doesn't get lost, it relates to the files in the category Category:Tapis rouge des arts littéraires. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:47, 14 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Asclepias, thanks for the info, I tried looking for Category:Tapis rouge des arts littéraires on the VRT and it didn't get me any lists. If the permissions-release mentions link to this category, it would make the work of VRT agents easy. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:23, 14 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, It may refer to the user account who uploaded the files: User:FrederiqueDube. (N.B.: I know there might be a few things to clarify. It's a bit complex. I opened a discussion at Commons:Village pump/Copyright#"Photobooth" portraits about the fine points of how to analyze the copyright situation. For now the idea was to obtain for the VRT archives at least this communication from the source of the photos. Before a follow-up, it could be good to wait a few days to know the opinions at VP/C, as that may affect how the matter can be managed.) -- Asclepias (talk) 18:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Commons:Deletion requests/Rza Talibov[edit]

A DR has been filed that appears to assert that Ticket:2022052110004218 was processed incorrectly. It would probably be helpful if any VRT agents familiar with this case could chime in to provide clarity and/or evaluate if the challenge to the ticket's closure is persuasive.

Pinging Krd, who added the permission confirmation to the Commons page. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 13:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I still think the ticket is processed correctly, but I admit that there may be different opinions based of different perspective. Having this reviewed by another VRT member is welcome to me. Krd 05:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

please confirm the license[edit]

I wish you all good health. please confirm the license. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Skuld._%D0%A1%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B4.jpg How long can wait until the file is deleted again? The file has been placed for a long time, but there are no actions. RagdayKolovrat (talk) 10:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I'm not on the VRT, but presumably this is either because an adequate permission form has not been received or (due to backlog) is not yet processed. When was it sent? - Jmabel ! talk 14:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    it was sent three weeks ago RagdayKolovrat (talk) 15:02, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    where do I need to write it then? RagdayKolovrat (talk) 15:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:Lee Sang-ho.jpg and ticket #2014070110000717.[edit]

This file came up while I was doing my daily check of Flickr files that need license reviews. The Flickr source is licensed CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0 at https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/39760227514, but there is a Korea.net license template with a VRT template on the file that give it a CC-BY-SA 2.0 license. The VRT Template links to https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketNumber=2014070110000717 I'm told that this ticket has red flags and is a cluster but I want to try to see if I can resolve the contradictions on this file before I file a deletion request or request a F4 speedy. Abzeronow (talk) 16:58, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Abzeronow: The ticket relates as far as I can understand to a single image on Flickr which has been relicensed to CCBYSA by Korea.net on request: https://www.flickr.com/photos/koreanet/14518090226/. This photo is available on Commons as File:NMK Network Fellowship Program 14 (14518090226).jpg. There may have been intentions to ask for more free licensing to Korea.net in 2014/2015, as template {{Korea.net}} seems to be some general format. This template has been made by User:Russavia, now banned. In one of the emails of the tickets, reference is made to this discussion. Imho it would be the safe route to delete the template and all images where it is used per COM:PRP (after checking the flickr source), except the mentioned image, and to mention the ticket only on that image. Perhaps User:-revi can comment before final decision on this, because they were involved in the template and speak Korean. The VRT agent at the time cannot be contacted any more, it seems. Regards, Ellywa (talk) 19:30, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, Ellywa. For now, I'll just start a DR on this one image. I'll wait for -revi to comment before I take any action on the template itself. Abzeronow (talk) 16:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(Currently not at home and will need until weekend to thoroughly read stuff. Ping me over the usertalk page if I haven't commented by Monday.) — regards, Revi 05:51, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ticket:2023080710010669[edit]

List of the respective files:

Permission has been sent to permissions-pl[at]wikimedia.org at August 7th, 8.43PM GMT+2 (from author) and August 8th, 10.11AM GMT+2 (forwarded from mine). Wojsław Brożyna (talk) 07:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please provide the ticket number the permission sender received. Krd 04:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
None of us (neither me nor the author) received any response. We don't know the ticket number (if even there's any...). Wojsław Brożyna (talk) 09:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Wojsław Brożyna Please email me the email addresses that the permissions came from, and I can look them up that way. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Wojsław Brożyna Thanks for your response. @Krd The ticket number is ticket:2023080710010669. There is a note that (using Google Translate) I'm not sure was proper, and the ticket was marked closed without response. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So what I should do?... Wojsław Brożyna (talk) 07:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ticket:2018110410002829[edit]

The permission was sent twice, the ticket is still not approved. Please confirm it and undelete the photos:

Wojsław Brożyna (talk) 07:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The remainder of Category:Photographs by Stevan Kragujević not yet uploaded to Commons[edit]

Hello VRT, Serbian Wikipedia over at sr:Kategorija:Stevan Kragujević contains many files not yet transferred over to Commons. Some of them locally uploaded there have OTRS tags, but not all, despite all having the claim to have been uploaded "with the approval of [Stevan's] daughter Tanja Kragujević" ("po odobrenju kćerke Tanje Kragujević"), just like the rest of files VRT verified on Commons. Are all OTRS tagged files ready to be moved to Commons? What about the rest? There are many non-tagged files, so I worry we could be left without these if not resolved on time. I asked on the linked Serbian Wikipedia category's talk page but haven't received a relevant answer to my question. –Vipz (talk) 17:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ticket:2015041410005433[edit]

This is another such case as I am afraid I have seen on Commons lots of times now. Sorry to say this, but doesn't the VRT team ever check what they are approving of? This is quite clearly not a selfie, which it would need to be if the image subject were identical with the photographer/ copyright holder, as the file information claims. One short question to the uploader has revealed the obvious to be true: This image was given to him by the image subject, and he has in fact no idea who the photographer was. (Not that the image quality would make this a desirable object to steal or use inappropriately, but that's a different matter.) --2003:C0:8F07:A600:5B3:48EB:7E0D:4848 14:54, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • It would be useful for you to link the image when reporting something like this. Most people do not have access to the VRT system. I would certainly hope that as a person who does not see fit to log in when raising a complaint, you do not have access to it yourself, so you are presumably aware of that. - Jmabel ! talk 18:18, 15 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this usual?[edit]

An organisation I'm working with (let's call them "Acme") has sent one of the standard emails to VTRS, asserting their ownership of rights in some images and releasing them under a suitable licence. The images, taken recently and depicting the organisation's premises, are uploaded as being photographed by "Acme Staff member".

A VTRS volunteer responds, asking them who took the photographs and how did the organisation come to own the copyright.

Surely if his information is required, it should be included in the standard email templates? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:39, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

VRT hiccup regarding ticket #2023091410010181[edit]

I have been trying to correct an error by the VRT that Alfred Neumann emailed about at Sep 17, 4:09 AM Central Time U.S., which I believe was 9:09 AM UTC, regarding ticket #2023091410010181. There have been no responses to emails to correct the problem. The only result of the effort to donate copyrighted material seems to be to tag File:20230304 Carla Vernón and Antonio Vernón at Pizzeria Lola 02.jpg for deletion in 30 days without explanation as to how to correct that status. The donated file, which is a different file, has not been confirmed or denied to my knowledge. Can someone respond to our emails? a User:Krd seems to be involved. To be clear, there are now two issues: 1. Please address the donation of the file attached to the original email; 2. Please state what is necessary to address the potential deletion of File:20230304 Carla Vernón and Antonio Vernón at Pizzeria Lola 02.jpg in 30 days.--TonyTheTiger (talk) 21:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@TonyTheTiger: I have removed the VRT received tag. Per Commons:Own work/Bystander selfie, it can be a bit uncertain who the copyright holder is when you ask someone else to take your photo with your phone, but in this particular case, it seems that you and your sister chose where to sit and asked the server to take a picture from a particular angle, making you the creative author of the work. Therefore "own work" is fine. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
User:King of Hearts that is half of the issue. Thank you. However, there is the issue of the actual w:WP:DCM. The purpose was to authorize a professional main image for my sister. Was the correspondences sufficient to properly donate the copyrighted image of my sister's professional portrait.--TonyTheTiger (talk) 04:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Quicker/smarter permissions procedure for Lieder project[edit]

I'm running a wikiproject called Lieder (on commons, wikidata and cawiki). There is a project of recording lieder songs from a live concert (December 2023), organized by the ESMUC (the Catalan music college) and the Schubertíada de Vilabertran. They organize an international academy (Lied the future) whose students will be signing, on registering, to allow uploading their concert participation to commons, as part of the Lieder project. I would like to be able to upload those recordings without having to ask the interpreters to send another authorization email, as they will have already authorized the recording AND uploading. Could someone advise me on the best way to prove those authorizations? Thanks. Robertgarrigos (talk) 10:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Robertgarrigos: If you send a copy of what the "students will be signing, on registering" via VRT, that should speed the permissions along.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 19:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Assuming you mean Lieder in a narrow sense (and the mention of Schubert suggests that you are), this should all be fine. Of course, some works by some more modern composers that could arguably be called Lieder (Ralph Vaughan Williams, for example, or Schoenberg, many of whose works are still copyrighted in the U.S.) would still be in copyright. - Jmabel ! talk 21:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Permission for File:Anne_Rothäuser.jpg[edit]

Hi folks!

First of all thank you for your work!

Some days ago, I uploaded 3 files by the Postillon, of which 2 got the permission ticket #2023091510004266 (see File:Plakat P24 Anne Thiess 140721.jpg and File:Thieß Neubert.png, but not File:Anne Rothäuser.jpg. The permission of all 3 files should be included with the corresponding email by The Postillon, but might File:Anne Rothäuser.jpg be forgotten. If valid, could you please add the permission ticket to the file in question?

Thank you :) --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 14:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging @Krd as Agent.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 19:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please encourage the copyright holder to send the permission again. --Krd 19:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. --Krd 19:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:Chess olympiad 2008 stamp.jpg[edit]

Per the file description, there is a permission (ticket:2008032610013793), but there is no proper license tag. Is any specific license mentioned in the ticket? --Rosenzweig τ 18:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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